[OutVoice] The governator speaks against Prop 8

[Taylor, Christopher]

 I can certainly see where you're coming from Aaron but in a way isn't
what you're proposing just more of the "same old"? True, WE know the
"sanctity" is an illusion but people need to be "DIS-illusioned" and (I
believe) that the best way to do that is to keep putting it out there
and putting it in their faces...

I hear you about being tired, I'm not the angry young man I used to be
(it takes a lot of energy) BUT...giving up and "hiding in plain sight"
just isn't good enough, for me. I would rather jump thru all the legal
and quasi-legal hoops that we have to right now (power of attorney,
multiple iterations of living wills, etc) to ensure a "safe" future for
my partner and my/our property if I were to pass before he did. Than
ensnare myself and some lesbian in a sham of a "marriage" that STILL
wouldn't protect our "real" other half's were one or the other of us to
pass away.

Just a different view of the issue, my friend-not trying to get under
anyone's skin...

Chris Taylor
(the) fundamentalists
(Gay pride DETROIT style! For sure! ;~))

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[mailto:outvoice-bounces at outvoice.net] On Behalf Of Aaron-Carl
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:26 PM
To: outvoice at outvoice.net
Subject: Re: [OutVoice] The governator speaks against Prop 8

Maybe it's just me, but...

Wasn't HE the one who spoke up FOR Prop 8 in the first place?  Or am I
mistaken?  People crack me up sometimes; they're in the position of
power to actually DO something, yet they refuse to exercise their
rights, in fear of backlash.  Personally, I feel that Schwarzenegger's
ultra-conservative ass needs to be voted OUT of office.  Hell...  Either
you're FOR us, or you are AGAINST us.  He's made his stance clear on
more than one occasion.  I refuse to fall for this "middle of the road" 
empathy statement.  "It is unfortunate..."  Yeah, it is unfortunate that
after all these years in office, HE has never actually stood UP for us.

Really...  Must we fight our ENTIRE LIVES, just to exist?  I'm tired of
fighting.  I'd like to be able to actually ENJOY this one life that I DO
have.  I won't preach to the choir about our equality -- WE KNOW that
gay people deserve equality.  My thought is this:  If we can't join
them, BEAT them at their own game.  Sure, they allow us to marry -- just
not each other.  Okay.  Since they wanna play THAT game, I say we follow
suit.  Let's form valid marriages with members of the OPPOSITE sex --
for the property and other financial purposes... Then have our same-sex
partner "behind closed doors."  Why not?  This is exactly what THEY ARE
DOING!  That's how the whole "down low" epidemic got started in the
first place...  Only now, at least we're being up front about it. 

You want marriage between only a man and a woman?  Okay, bitches...  
Have it your way.  Have your illusion.  WE KNOW THE TRUTH.  Your
so-called "sanctity of marriage" is a joke.  Your divorce rates prove
this.  Your infidelity rates prove this as well...  Your overwhelming
number of unplanned pregnancies, abandoned & abused children also prove
this point. 

It's not even an issue of morality anymore... It's an issue of common
sense.  I guess some bigots will never learn, but I REFUSE to waste
whatever time I have on this earth, trying to make THEM see the light. 
Let them THINK they've won the battle.  I laugh at the bitches...

Aaron-Carl
(Gay pride, Detroit style...  lol)

gosmith at nyc.rr.com wrote:
> A leading Republican stands up and speaks against Proposition 8 in
California:
>
> "It is unfortunate," Schwarzenegger said. "But it is not the end
because I think this will go back into the courts. ... It's the same as
in the 1948 case when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. This
falls into the same category." 
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/10/gay.marriage.protests.ap/index.html
>
> He is not alone: 
>
> The pastor of the 4,000-member All Saints Church in Pasadena spoke out
against Proposition 8, calling the religious community's support of it
"embarrassing."
>
> The church announced that while it could no longer legally marry
same-sex couples, it would continue blessing gay civil unions. "It's
very unfortunate and embarrassing that the (Christian religion) is in
large part responsible for this act of bigotry," the Rev. Ed Bacon said
after his sermon.  
>
>
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